Showing posts with label homosexuality. Show all posts
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Sunday, June 5, 2011
Graphic homosexual sex flier given to kids at state-supported "youth pride" event
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Graphic homosexual sex flier given to kids at state-supported "youth pride" event
What the homosexual movement's claim to teach kids "tolerance" is really about.
POSTED: June 3, 2011 
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CAUTION: THE MATERIAL BELOW is gross and disgusting. We are publishing it "as is" to show what is being given to kids as young as middle-school age at state-supported events.
Kids at the state-sponsored "youth pride" on May 14, 2011 in Boston were encouraged to gather in front of tables set up by various adult homosexual organizations under the line of tents. |
When schoolchildren are brought to a state-sponsored "youth" event promoted by their schools (and personally endorsed by the Governor), you'd think that there would be some sense of "appropriateness" involved. Not when it comes to the homosexual movement.
 | Why does this group have a table at a state-sponsored youth event? |
Homosexual activists always insist that their involvement with middle-school and high-school kids is all about promoting "tolerance" and "feeling safe" from bullies and "homophobes" -- and not about sex. But what really happens at these activities?
In fact, when it comes to kids (including middle school students), what the homosexual groups really mean by "safety" is how to "safely" perform homosexual sex acts. Their term is actually "safer sex" because there is really no safe way to do most of these things. When it comes to kids, their obsession really is about talking sex with them.
At the "youth pride celebration" on the Boston Common, kids are encouraged to gather around tables set up by various adult homosexual organizations under a line of narrow tents and pick up their materials, meet the adult group coordinators, etc. (More on these tables and the groups in an upcoming report.)
Here is a prime example of what the kids pick up on these tables: a flier given out by the Boston-based "Bisexual Resource Center." "Bisexual Resource Center." It is a comprehensive guide to "Safer Sex for Bisexuals and their Partners." It coaches kids to do some incredibly disgusting sex acts "safely" (using coarse, vulgar language).
This pamphlet describes how to "safely" engage in homosexual oral sex, anal sex, and other behaviors. You can read more below. What kind of "safety" is this?
 | Pamphlet opens up to slick, vulgar instructions on how to "safely" perform homosexual sex acts. |
Here is what this pamphlet is telling your kids about:
In its own words . . .
- Sex with Fingers and Hands ("fingering" "fisting"). "If one person's vaginal fluids, cum, or anal juices get on or in the other partner, they could be at risk for getting an STI. . . Use a different hand or glove . . . use lots of lube. Take off any jewelry that could scratch the vagina or anus.
- Oral Sex on a Vagina ("cunnilingus" "eating out")
Oral Sex on a Penis ("giving head" fellatio" "sucking off")
Oral Sex on an Anus ("rimming" "analingus")
- Sex with Penetration ("fucking" "having sex" "intercourse")
Sex without Penetration ("rubbing" "dry humping" "outercourse")
- The Tools: "When putting a penis, fingers, or a sex toy inside a vagina or anus, using lots of water based lubricant can lower friction a lot, make sex more pleasurable, and help keep a condom from breaking.
| The pamphlet says it's published by the Fenway Community Health Center, a homosexual-oriented "health" organization which gets enormous public funding. |  |
Casual photos of the "Bisexual Resource Group" table during event show pamphlets (1) in holder to the right of "It's not a phase it's my life" shirt" and (2) under group's business cards on other side of table. There may have been another pile also.
Comment:
If any New England state was going to do something like this, it figures that it would be Massachusetts, the most liberal, left-wing of these states.
This is one reason I tell parents to pull their kids out of public school and home school them to protect them from this filth. Now I'm sure some parents were all in favour of it, some were against it, and the majority felt, "Well, what can I do about it?" Home school them, and make certain the school district knows why. If the schools lose enough money because parents are withdrawing their kids, maybe they will rethink promoting degenerating things like this. At the very least we can let them know how we feel, and that we will not condone this sort of thing.
Comrades, get your kids out of public school now and home school them. Public schools are nothing but ZOG's indoctrination centres to make good little ZOGBOTS out of them. Be more proactive in your child's education. Home school. The ONLY school.
Wednesday, January 5, 2011
North Carolina Official Speaks Out Against "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"
Comrades, the following article was found on a leftist website called Change.org
While most Americans celebrated the repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” Bill James, a County Commissioner in Mecklenburg, North Carolina, used it as an opportunity to bash LGBT people.
“Homosexuals are sexual predators,” James wrote. “Allowing homosexuals to serve in the U.S. military with the endorsement of the Mecklenburg County Commission ignores a host of serious problems related to maintaining U.S. military readiness and effectiveness, not the least of which is the current Democrat plan to allow homosexuals (male and female) to share showers with those they are attracted to.”
It’s not the first time Commissioner James has used his spot on the County Board to promote anti-gay bigotry. During debate over a domestic partnership bill, Commissioner James called homosexuality a “crime against nature” that should be prosecuted by police.
And last year, Commissioner James turned to a colleague whose son died from complications from AIDS, and called the son “a homo.” He then compared homosexuality to alcoholism, and argued that all gay people bring AIDS on themselves.
We can’t let this kind of hate speech by public officials go unanswered – and we have a chance in the next few days to do something about it.
Right now, the rest of the county commission is publicly debating whether to censure James. Condemnation by the commission would send a strong signal that bigotry by elected officers holds no place in our society.
Comment:
Commissioner James should be commended, not condemned. This is a man who speaks out for decency and against perversion, in a country where decency is an outdated notion and perversion is a lifestyle choice protected by law.
GOOD WORK COMMISSIONER JAMES. At least there is at least one politician who isn't a corrupt, crooked hypocrite. Well, I'm sure there are a few more, but unfortunately, not nearly enough. That's why the only hope for White America is National Socialism in general, and the ANP in particular.
While most Americans celebrated the repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” Bill James, a County Commissioner in Mecklenburg, North Carolina, used it as an opportunity to bash LGBT people.
“Homosexuals are sexual predators,” James wrote. “Allowing homosexuals to serve in the U.S. military with the endorsement of the Mecklenburg County Commission ignores a host of serious problems related to maintaining U.S. military readiness and effectiveness, not the least of which is the current Democrat plan to allow homosexuals (male and female) to share showers with those they are attracted to.”
It’s not the first time Commissioner James has used his spot on the County Board to promote anti-gay bigotry. During debate over a domestic partnership bill, Commissioner James called homosexuality a “crime against nature” that should be prosecuted by police.
And last year, Commissioner James turned to a colleague whose son died from complications from AIDS, and called the son “a homo.” He then compared homosexuality to alcoholism, and argued that all gay people bring AIDS on themselves.
We can’t let this kind of hate speech by public officials go unanswered – and we have a chance in the next few days to do something about it.
Right now, the rest of the county commission is publicly debating whether to censure James. Condemnation by the commission would send a strong signal that bigotry by elected officers holds no place in our society.
Comment:
Commissioner James should be commended, not condemned. This is a man who speaks out for decency and against perversion, in a country where decency is an outdated notion and perversion is a lifestyle choice protected by law.
GOOD WORK COMMISSIONER JAMES. At least there is at least one politician who isn't a corrupt, crooked hypocrite. Well, I'm sure there are a few more, but unfortunately, not nearly enough. That's why the only hope for White America is National Socialism in general, and the ANP in particular.
North Carolina Official Speaks Out Against "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"
Comrades, the following article was found on a leftist website called Change.org
While most Americans celebrated the repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” Bill James, a County Commissioner in Mecklenburg, North Carolina, used it as an opportunity to bash LGBT people.
“Homosexuals are sexual predators,” James wrote. “Allowing homosexuals to serve in the U.S. military with the endorsement of the Mecklenburg County Commission ignores a host of serious problems related to maintaining U.S. military readiness and effectiveness, not the least of which is the current Democrat plan to allow homosexuals (male and female) to share showers with those they are attracted to.”
It’s not the first time Commissioner James has used his spot on the County Board to promote anti-gay bigotry. During debate over a domestic partnership bill, Commissioner James called homosexuality a “crime against nature” that should be prosecuted by police.
And last year, Commissioner James turned to a colleague whose son died from complications from AIDS, and called the son “a homo.” He then compared homosexuality to alcoholism, and argued that all gay people bring AIDS on themselves.
We can’t let this kind of hate speech by public officials go unanswered – and we have a chance in the next few days to do something about it.
Right now, the rest of the county commission is publicly debating whether to censure James. Condemnation by the commission would send a strong signal that bigotry by elected officers holds no place in our society.
Comment:
Commissioner James should be commended, not condemned. This is a man who speaks out for decency and against perversion, in a country where decency is an outdated notion and perversion is a lifestyle choice protected by law.
GOOD WORK COMMISSIONER JAMES. At least there is at least one politician who isn't a corrupt, crooked hypocrite. Well, I'm sure there are a few more, but unfortunately, not nearly enough. That's why the only hope for White America is National Socialism in general, and the ANP in particular.
While most Americans celebrated the repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” Bill James, a County Commissioner in Mecklenburg, North Carolina, used it as an opportunity to bash LGBT people.
“Homosexuals are sexual predators,” James wrote. “Allowing homosexuals to serve in the U.S. military with the endorsement of the Mecklenburg County Commission ignores a host of serious problems related to maintaining U.S. military readiness and effectiveness, not the least of which is the current Democrat plan to allow homosexuals (male and female) to share showers with those they are attracted to.”
It’s not the first time Commissioner James has used his spot on the County Board to promote anti-gay bigotry. During debate over a domestic partnership bill, Commissioner James called homosexuality a “crime against nature” that should be prosecuted by police.
And last year, Commissioner James turned to a colleague whose son died from complications from AIDS, and called the son “a homo.” He then compared homosexuality to alcoholism, and argued that all gay people bring AIDS on themselves.
We can’t let this kind of hate speech by public officials go unanswered – and we have a chance in the next few days to do something about it.
Right now, the rest of the county commission is publicly debating whether to censure James. Condemnation by the commission would send a strong signal that bigotry by elected officers holds no place in our society.
Comment:
Commissioner James should be commended, not condemned. This is a man who speaks out for decency and against perversion, in a country where decency is an outdated notion and perversion is a lifestyle choice protected by law.
GOOD WORK COMMISSIONER JAMES. At least there is at least one politician who isn't a corrupt, crooked hypocrite. Well, I'm sure there are a few more, but unfortunately, not nearly enough. That's why the only hope for White America is National Socialism in general, and the ANP in particular.
Monday, December 20, 2010
With gay ban debate over, military impact in doubt
By ROBERT BURNS, AP National Security Writer Robert Burns, Ap National Security Writer – Sun Dec 19, 8:03 pm ET
WASHINGTON – The debate over gays in the military has been settled with a historic decision to allow them to serve openly, but big questions lie ahead about how and when the change will take place, how troops will accept it and whether it will hamper the U.S. military effort in Afghanistan and Iraq.
President Barack Obama is expected to sign into law this week the legislation that passed the Senate on Saturday, an act some believe will carry social implications as profound as President Harry S. Truman's 1948 executive order on racial equality in the military.
The new law probably won't go into practice for months. Obama and his top advisers must first certify that repealing the 1993 ban on gays serving openly will not damage U.S. troops' ability to fight. That ban, known as "don't ask, don't tell," has allowed gays to serve, but only if they kept quiet about their sexual orientation.
In the meantime, the restrictions will remain on the books, although it's unclear how fully they will be enforced. Some believe gay discharge cases will be dropped as soon as Obama signs the law.
The issue of gays in the military has been a contentious one for decades. Until 1993, all recruits had to state on a questionnaire whether they were homosexual; if they said "yes," they could not join. More than 13,500 service members were dismissed under the law.
In the years since the ban went into effect, views in the wider society have evolved. Gay marriage is now legal in five states and the District of Columbia. Opinion surveys say a majority of Americans think it's OK for gays to serve in uniform.
The repeal vote by Congress was a political victory for Obama, who campaigned on ending the ban. Even though opponents have made clear they will continue to argue against the change, Peter Mansoor, a retired Army colonel who commanded a brigade in Iraq, said Sunday he believes the military — from top commanders to foot soldiers — will accept their new orders.
"Pretty much all the heated discussion is over and now it's a matter of the more mundane aspects of implementing the law," Mansoor, a professor of military history at Ohio State University, said in a telephone interview.
Marine Corps Commandant Gen. James Amos, who had argued against the policy change, said Sunday that "the Marine Corps will step out smartly to faithfully implement this new policy."
Amos vowed to "personally lead this effort, thus ensuring the respect and dignity due all Marines."
Implementation begins, under terms of the legislation, with Obama's certification to Congress — for which there's no stated deadline. There is room for argument, however, about what certification must entail and how long it should take. Even after that, there will be a mandatory 60-day waiting period.
Aaron Belkin, director of the Palm Center, a research institute at the University of California, Santa Barbara, said he expects the Pentagon to announce shortly that it needs a long time for training and education to prepare troops for the change — possibly lasting much of 2011.
In a statement Saturday, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said he will begin the certification process immediately. But any change in policy won't come until after careful consultation with military service chiefs and combatant commanders, he said.
Gates has supported Obama's push to repeal the 1993 ban, but stressed a go-slow approach.
"Successful implementation will depend upon strong leadership, a clear message and proactive education throughout the force," Gates said.
Some questions that Gates faces before providing certification have been answered in the recommendations of a yearlong Pentagon study on the impact of repealing the 1993 ban. The study said, for example, that no new standards of conduct are needed. It found that issues of sexual conduct and fraternization can be dealt with by using existing Defense Department rules and regulations, including the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
The study, released Nov. 30, found that two-thirds of service members surveyed didn't think changing the law would have much of an effect on military effectiveness. Of those who did predict negative consequences, most were in combat elements such as the infantry. Their misgivings became ammunition for opponents of repeal, including the influential chiefs of the Army and Marine Corps.
Certifying to Congress also requires writing Pentagon policies and regulations to put in place the repeal law — and stating that the new policies are consistent with standards that allow the military to remain ready for combat, to fight effectively and to ensure cohesion in fighting units.
Elaine Donnelly, president of the Center for Military Readiness and a leading opponent of repealing the 1993 law, said Sunday that the certification process is a "sham" because it will be done by three people who already have stated their support for the change: Obama, Gates and Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Donnelly also believes that passage and implementation of the repeal legislation will lead to a wave of lawsuits by gay troops seeking, for example, more military benefits for same-sex partners.
"The story is just beginning," she said in an interview.
Gay rights activists say the complications and uncertainties are being overblown.
"Only three steps are needed to assure a smooth and quick transition to open gay service," Belkin said. They are: an immediate executive order from Obama suspending all gay discharges; a few weeks to put new regulations in place; then immediate certification to Congress that the new law will work.
There remains, however, strong doubt among some that the way ahead will be smooth.
"The acceptance of open homosexuality and the creation and enforcement of new policies could be far more difficult to implement than repeal advocates ever envisioned," said Richard L. Eubank, a retired Marine and Vietnam combat veteran who leads the 2.1 million-member Veterans of Foreign Wars.
Richard Myers, a retired Air Forge general and former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told CNN's "State of the Union" on Sunday that the degree of difficulty in the immediate future is hard to predict. "But in the long run I think we can" make the change without hurting military effectiveness.
Not without opposition, both inside and outside the military.
Bryan Taylor of Prattville, Ala., who served four years on active duty and in November was elected to the Alabama Senate, said Sunday in an interview that he sees difficulties ahead.
"I think this is going to pose a lot of challenges for the military," Taylor said. When a soldier openly declares he is gay, "it does create an unnecessary distraction."
___
Associated Press writers Anne Flaherty in Washington and Bob Johnson in Montgomery, Ala., contributed to this report.
___
Online:
Pentagon study: http://tinyurl.com/23lxc49
Servicemembers Legal Defense Network: http://www.sldn.org/
Information on the bill, H.R. 2965, can be found at http://thomas.loc.gov
Comment:
I'm sorry to say that the average GI will most likely accept this new policy with little or no trouble. Once Upon A Time in the good OLD US of A, homosexuality was a perversion (still is in my book), but now it's a "lifestyle choice". Our young adults, with a few exceptions, were raised to believe that "it's OK to be Gay." Most of them have no idea what it's like to like in a society where Queers are treated like pariahs, so most won't have a problem with this. Some will, but not most.
It's like the motorcycle helmet law here in California. We've had it for about 15 years. We have a whole crop of riders who grew up never knowing what it feels like to ride lidless. They don't know any other way except wearing a helmet, so they don't object to this law. They feel, "Not wear a helmet? Why would anyone not want to wear a helmet? I don't get it." The same with Queers. They were raised to tolerate, and even accept them, and many of them can't understand why we old fogies like Comrades Rock, JT, Paul, and myself won't. We're just old-fanshioned, and out-of-touch with the modern way of thinking. But I should point out that just because the majority believes something is right, doesn't make it so. At one time, everyone believed the world was flat, and they acted like it was flat (don't sail out too far or you'll fall off the edge), but it's still round. The majority's belief's didn't alter the facts. And here is an undeniable fact: The purpose of sex is procreation (pleasure is only incidental, not the real purpose). Two men or two women cannot procreate. QED, homosexuality is abnormal.
Through National Socialism, decency will one day be restored to this modern Sodam and Gommorah called the USA. Until then, we must stand our ground and not sacrifice our principles. In previous posts, I always said I would never advise anyone to quit their job because of a conflict with principles. Jobs are scarce, and we all need to make a living. However, this is different. I call upon all good National Socialists in the military to leave the service as soon as they are legally able to do so. Don't desert. But as soon as you are able to be legally discharged, leave. If you volunteer for another hitch, in my opinion you are a hypocrite.
WASHINGTON – The debate over gays in the military has been settled with a historic decision to allow them to serve openly, but big questions lie ahead about how and when the change will take place, how troops will accept it and whether it will hamper the U.S. military effort in Afghanistan and Iraq.
President Barack Obama is expected to sign into law this week the legislation that passed the Senate on Saturday, an act some believe will carry social implications as profound as President Harry S. Truman's 1948 executive order on racial equality in the military.
The new law probably won't go into practice for months. Obama and his top advisers must first certify that repealing the 1993 ban on gays serving openly will not damage U.S. troops' ability to fight. That ban, known as "don't ask, don't tell," has allowed gays to serve, but only if they kept quiet about their sexual orientation.
In the meantime, the restrictions will remain on the books, although it's unclear how fully they will be enforced. Some believe gay discharge cases will be dropped as soon as Obama signs the law.
The issue of gays in the military has been a contentious one for decades. Until 1993, all recruits had to state on a questionnaire whether they were homosexual; if they said "yes," they could not join. More than 13,500 service members were dismissed under the law.
In the years since the ban went into effect, views in the wider society have evolved. Gay marriage is now legal in five states and the District of Columbia. Opinion surveys say a majority of Americans think it's OK for gays to serve in uniform.
The repeal vote by Congress was a political victory for Obama, who campaigned on ending the ban. Even though opponents have made clear they will continue to argue against the change, Peter Mansoor, a retired Army colonel who commanded a brigade in Iraq, said Sunday he believes the military — from top commanders to foot soldiers — will accept their new orders.
"Pretty much all the heated discussion is over and now it's a matter of the more mundane aspects of implementing the law," Mansoor, a professor of military history at Ohio State University, said in a telephone interview.
Marine Corps Commandant Gen. James Amos, who had argued against the policy change, said Sunday that "the Marine Corps will step out smartly to faithfully implement this new policy."
Amos vowed to "personally lead this effort, thus ensuring the respect and dignity due all Marines."
Implementation begins, under terms of the legislation, with Obama's certification to Congress — for which there's no stated deadline. There is room for argument, however, about what certification must entail and how long it should take. Even after that, there will be a mandatory 60-day waiting period.
Aaron Belkin, director of the Palm Center, a research institute at the University of California, Santa Barbara, said he expects the Pentagon to announce shortly that it needs a long time for training and education to prepare troops for the change — possibly lasting much of 2011.
In a statement Saturday, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said he will begin the certification process immediately. But any change in policy won't come until after careful consultation with military service chiefs and combatant commanders, he said.
Gates has supported Obama's push to repeal the 1993 ban, but stressed a go-slow approach.
"Successful implementation will depend upon strong leadership, a clear message and proactive education throughout the force," Gates said.
Some questions that Gates faces before providing certification have been answered in the recommendations of a yearlong Pentagon study on the impact of repealing the 1993 ban. The study said, for example, that no new standards of conduct are needed. It found that issues of sexual conduct and fraternization can be dealt with by using existing Defense Department rules and regulations, including the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
The study, released Nov. 30, found that two-thirds of service members surveyed didn't think changing the law would have much of an effect on military effectiveness. Of those who did predict negative consequences, most were in combat elements such as the infantry. Their misgivings became ammunition for opponents of repeal, including the influential chiefs of the Army and Marine Corps.
Certifying to Congress also requires writing Pentagon policies and regulations to put in place the repeal law — and stating that the new policies are consistent with standards that allow the military to remain ready for combat, to fight effectively and to ensure cohesion in fighting units.
Elaine Donnelly, president of the Center for Military Readiness and a leading opponent of repealing the 1993 law, said Sunday that the certification process is a "sham" because it will be done by three people who already have stated their support for the change: Obama, Gates and Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Donnelly also believes that passage and implementation of the repeal legislation will lead to a wave of lawsuits by gay troops seeking, for example, more military benefits for same-sex partners.
"The story is just beginning," she said in an interview.
Gay rights activists say the complications and uncertainties are being overblown.
"Only three steps are needed to assure a smooth and quick transition to open gay service," Belkin said. They are: an immediate executive order from Obama suspending all gay discharges; a few weeks to put new regulations in place; then immediate certification to Congress that the new law will work.
There remains, however, strong doubt among some that the way ahead will be smooth.
"The acceptance of open homosexuality and the creation and enforcement of new policies could be far more difficult to implement than repeal advocates ever envisioned," said Richard L. Eubank, a retired Marine and Vietnam combat veteran who leads the 2.1 million-member Veterans of Foreign Wars.
Richard Myers, a retired Air Forge general and former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told CNN's "State of the Union" on Sunday that the degree of difficulty in the immediate future is hard to predict. "But in the long run I think we can" make the change without hurting military effectiveness.
Not without opposition, both inside and outside the military.
Bryan Taylor of Prattville, Ala., who served four years on active duty and in November was elected to the Alabama Senate, said Sunday in an interview that he sees difficulties ahead.
"I think this is going to pose a lot of challenges for the military," Taylor said. When a soldier openly declares he is gay, "it does create an unnecessary distraction."
___
Associated Press writers Anne Flaherty in Washington and Bob Johnson in Montgomery, Ala., contributed to this report.
___
Online:
Pentagon study: http://tinyurl.com/23lxc49
Servicemembers Legal Defense Network: http://www.sldn.org/
Information on the bill, H.R. 2965, can be found at http://thomas.loc.gov
Comment:
I'm sorry to say that the average GI will most likely accept this new policy with little or no trouble. Once Upon A Time in the good OLD US of A, homosexuality was a perversion (still is in my book), but now it's a "lifestyle choice". Our young adults, with a few exceptions, were raised to believe that "it's OK to be Gay." Most of them have no idea what it's like to like in a society where Queers are treated like pariahs, so most won't have a problem with this. Some will, but not most.
It's like the motorcycle helmet law here in California. We've had it for about 15 years. We have a whole crop of riders who grew up never knowing what it feels like to ride lidless. They don't know any other way except wearing a helmet, so they don't object to this law. They feel, "Not wear a helmet? Why would anyone not want to wear a helmet? I don't get it." The same with Queers. They were raised to tolerate, and even accept them, and many of them can't understand why we old fogies like Comrades Rock, JT, Paul, and myself won't. We're just old-fanshioned, and out-of-touch with the modern way of thinking. But I should point out that just because the majority believes something is right, doesn't make it so. At one time, everyone believed the world was flat, and they acted like it was flat (don't sail out too far or you'll fall off the edge), but it's still round. The majority's belief's didn't alter the facts. And here is an undeniable fact: The purpose of sex is procreation (pleasure is only incidental, not the real purpose). Two men or two women cannot procreate. QED, homosexuality is abnormal.
Through National Socialism, decency will one day be restored to this modern Sodam and Gommorah called the USA. Until then, we must stand our ground and not sacrifice our principles. In previous posts, I always said I would never advise anyone to quit their job because of a conflict with principles. Jobs are scarce, and we all need to make a living. However, this is different. I call upon all good National Socialists in the military to leave the service as soon as they are legally able to do so. Don't desert. But as soon as you are able to be legally discharged, leave. If you volunteer for another hitch, in my opinion you are a hypocrite.
With gay ban debate over, military impact in doubt
By ROBERT BURNS, AP National Security Writer Robert Burns, Ap National Security Writer – Sun Dec 19, 8:03 pm ET
WASHINGTON – The debate over gays in the military has been settled with a historic decision to allow them to serve openly, but big questions lie ahead about how and when the change will take place, how troops will accept it and whether it will hamper the U.S. military effort in Afghanistan and Iraq.
President Barack Obama is expected to sign into law this week the legislation that passed the Senate on Saturday, an act some believe will carry social implications as profound as President Harry S. Truman's 1948 executive order on racial equality in the military.
The new law probably won't go into practice for months. Obama and his top advisers must first certify that repealing the 1993 ban on gays serving openly will not damage U.S. troops' ability to fight. That ban, known as "don't ask, don't tell," has allowed gays to serve, but only if they kept quiet about their sexual orientation.
In the meantime, the restrictions will remain on the books, although it's unclear how fully they will be enforced. Some believe gay discharge cases will be dropped as soon as Obama signs the law.
The issue of gays in the military has been a contentious one for decades. Until 1993, all recruits had to state on a questionnaire whether they were homosexual; if they said "yes," they could not join. More than 13,500 service members were dismissed under the law.
In the years since the ban went into effect, views in the wider society have evolved. Gay marriage is now legal in five states and the District of Columbia. Opinion surveys say a majority of Americans think it's OK for gays to serve in uniform.
The repeal vote by Congress was a political victory for Obama, who campaigned on ending the ban. Even though opponents have made clear they will continue to argue against the change, Peter Mansoor, a retired Army colonel who commanded a brigade in Iraq, said Sunday he believes the military — from top commanders to foot soldiers — will accept their new orders.
"Pretty much all the heated discussion is over and now it's a matter of the more mundane aspects of implementing the law," Mansoor, a professor of military history at Ohio State University, said in a telephone interview.
Marine Corps Commandant Gen. James Amos, who had argued against the policy change, said Sunday that "the Marine Corps will step out smartly to faithfully implement this new policy."
Amos vowed to "personally lead this effort, thus ensuring the respect and dignity due all Marines."
Implementation begins, under terms of the legislation, with Obama's certification to Congress — for which there's no stated deadline. There is room for argument, however, about what certification must entail and how long it should take. Even after that, there will be a mandatory 60-day waiting period.
Aaron Belkin, director of the Palm Center, a research institute at the University of California, Santa Barbara, said he expects the Pentagon to announce shortly that it needs a long time for training and education to prepare troops for the change — possibly lasting much of 2011.
In a statement Saturday, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said he will begin the certification process immediately. But any change in policy won't come until after careful consultation with military service chiefs and combatant commanders, he said.
Gates has supported Obama's push to repeal the 1993 ban, but stressed a go-slow approach.
"Successful implementation will depend upon strong leadership, a clear message and proactive education throughout the force," Gates said.
Some questions that Gates faces before providing certification have been answered in the recommendations of a yearlong Pentagon study on the impact of repealing the 1993 ban. The study said, for example, that no new standards of conduct are needed. It found that issues of sexual conduct and fraternization can be dealt with by using existing Defense Department rules and regulations, including the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
The study, released Nov. 30, found that two-thirds of service members surveyed didn't think changing the law would have much of an effect on military effectiveness. Of those who did predict negative consequences, most were in combat elements such as the infantry. Their misgivings became ammunition for opponents of repeal, including the influential chiefs of the Army and Marine Corps.
Certifying to Congress also requires writing Pentagon policies and regulations to put in place the repeal law — and stating that the new policies are consistent with standards that allow the military to remain ready for combat, to fight effectively and to ensure cohesion in fighting units.
Elaine Donnelly, president of the Center for Military Readiness and a leading opponent of repealing the 1993 law, said Sunday that the certification process is a "sham" because it will be done by three people who already have stated their support for the change: Obama, Gates and Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Donnelly also believes that passage and implementation of the repeal legislation will lead to a wave of lawsuits by gay troops seeking, for example, more military benefits for same-sex partners.
"The story is just beginning," she said in an interview.
Gay rights activists say the complications and uncertainties are being overblown.
"Only three steps are needed to assure a smooth and quick transition to open gay service," Belkin said. They are: an immediate executive order from Obama suspending all gay discharges; a few weeks to put new regulations in place; then immediate certification to Congress that the new law will work.
There remains, however, strong doubt among some that the way ahead will be smooth.
"The acceptance of open homosexuality and the creation and enforcement of new policies could be far more difficult to implement than repeal advocates ever envisioned," said Richard L. Eubank, a retired Marine and Vietnam combat veteran who leads the 2.1 million-member Veterans of Foreign Wars.
Richard Myers, a retired Air Forge general and former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told CNN's "State of the Union" on Sunday that the degree of difficulty in the immediate future is hard to predict. "But in the long run I think we can" make the change without hurting military effectiveness.
Not without opposition, both inside and outside the military.
Bryan Taylor of Prattville, Ala., who served four years on active duty and in November was elected to the Alabama Senate, said Sunday in an interview that he sees difficulties ahead.
"I think this is going to pose a lot of challenges for the military," Taylor said. When a soldier openly declares he is gay, "it does create an unnecessary distraction."
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Associated Press writers Anne Flaherty in Washington and Bob Johnson in Montgomery, Ala., contributed to this report.
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Online:
Pentagon study: http://tinyurl.com/23lxc49
Servicemembers Legal Defense Network: http://www.sldn.org/
Information on the bill, H.R. 2965, can be found at http://thomas.loc.gov
Comment:
I'm sorry to say that the average GI will most likely accept this new policy with little or no trouble. Once Upon A Time in the good OLD US of A, homosexuality was a perversion (still is in my book), but now it's a "lifestyle choice". Our young adults, with a few exceptions, were raised to believe that "it's OK to be Gay." Most of them have no idea what it's like to like in a society where Queers are treated like pariahs, so most won't have a problem with this. Some will, but not most.
It's like the motorcycle helmet law here in California. We've had it for about 15 years. We have a whole crop of riders who grew up never knowing what it feels like to ride lidless. They don't know any other way except wearing a helmet, so they don't object to this law. They feel, "Not wear a helmet? Why would anyone not want to wear a helmet? I don't get it." The same with Queers. They were raised to tolerate, and even accept them, and many of them can't understand why we old fogies like Comrades Rock, JT, Paul, and myself won't. We're just old-fanshioned, and out-of-touch with the modern way of thinking. But I should point out that just because the majority believes something is right, doesn't make it so. At one time, everyone believed the world was flat, and they acted like it was flat (don't sail out too far or you'll fall off the edge), but it's still round. The majority's belief's didn't alter the facts. And here is an undeniable fact: The purpose of sex is procreation (pleasure is only incidental, not the real purpose). Two men or two women cannot procreate. QED, homosexuality is abnormal.
Through National Socialism, decency will one day be restored to this modern Sodam and Gommorah called the USA. Until then, we must stand our ground and not sacrifice our principles. In previous posts, I always said I would never advise anyone to quit their job because of a conflict with principles. Jobs are scarce, and we all need to make a living. However, this is different. I call upon all good National Socialists in the military to leave the service as soon as they are legally able to do so. Don't desert. But as soon as you are able to be legally discharged, leave. If you volunteer for another hitch, in my opinion you are a hypocrite.
WASHINGTON – The debate over gays in the military has been settled with a historic decision to allow them to serve openly, but big questions lie ahead about how and when the change will take place, how troops will accept it and whether it will hamper the U.S. military effort in Afghanistan and Iraq.
President Barack Obama is expected to sign into law this week the legislation that passed the Senate on Saturday, an act some believe will carry social implications as profound as President Harry S. Truman's 1948 executive order on racial equality in the military.
The new law probably won't go into practice for months. Obama and his top advisers must first certify that repealing the 1993 ban on gays serving openly will not damage U.S. troops' ability to fight. That ban, known as "don't ask, don't tell," has allowed gays to serve, but only if they kept quiet about their sexual orientation.
In the meantime, the restrictions will remain on the books, although it's unclear how fully they will be enforced. Some believe gay discharge cases will be dropped as soon as Obama signs the law.
The issue of gays in the military has been a contentious one for decades. Until 1993, all recruits had to state on a questionnaire whether they were homosexual; if they said "yes," they could not join. More than 13,500 service members were dismissed under the law.
In the years since the ban went into effect, views in the wider society have evolved. Gay marriage is now legal in five states and the District of Columbia. Opinion surveys say a majority of Americans think it's OK for gays to serve in uniform.
The repeal vote by Congress was a political victory for Obama, who campaigned on ending the ban. Even though opponents have made clear they will continue to argue against the change, Peter Mansoor, a retired Army colonel who commanded a brigade in Iraq, said Sunday he believes the military — from top commanders to foot soldiers — will accept their new orders.
"Pretty much all the heated discussion is over and now it's a matter of the more mundane aspects of implementing the law," Mansoor, a professor of military history at Ohio State University, said in a telephone interview.
Marine Corps Commandant Gen. James Amos, who had argued against the policy change, said Sunday that "the Marine Corps will step out smartly to faithfully implement this new policy."
Amos vowed to "personally lead this effort, thus ensuring the respect and dignity due all Marines."
Implementation begins, under terms of the legislation, with Obama's certification to Congress — for which there's no stated deadline. There is room for argument, however, about what certification must entail and how long it should take. Even after that, there will be a mandatory 60-day waiting period.
Aaron Belkin, director of the Palm Center, a research institute at the University of California, Santa Barbara, said he expects the Pentagon to announce shortly that it needs a long time for training and education to prepare troops for the change — possibly lasting much of 2011.
In a statement Saturday, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said he will begin the certification process immediately. But any change in policy won't come until after careful consultation with military service chiefs and combatant commanders, he said.
Gates has supported Obama's push to repeal the 1993 ban, but stressed a go-slow approach.
"Successful implementation will depend upon strong leadership, a clear message and proactive education throughout the force," Gates said.
Some questions that Gates faces before providing certification have been answered in the recommendations of a yearlong Pentagon study on the impact of repealing the 1993 ban. The study said, for example, that no new standards of conduct are needed. It found that issues of sexual conduct and fraternization can be dealt with by using existing Defense Department rules and regulations, including the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
The study, released Nov. 30, found that two-thirds of service members surveyed didn't think changing the law would have much of an effect on military effectiveness. Of those who did predict negative consequences, most were in combat elements such as the infantry. Their misgivings became ammunition for opponents of repeal, including the influential chiefs of the Army and Marine Corps.
Certifying to Congress also requires writing Pentagon policies and regulations to put in place the repeal law — and stating that the new policies are consistent with standards that allow the military to remain ready for combat, to fight effectively and to ensure cohesion in fighting units.
Elaine Donnelly, president of the Center for Military Readiness and a leading opponent of repealing the 1993 law, said Sunday that the certification process is a "sham" because it will be done by three people who already have stated their support for the change: Obama, Gates and Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Donnelly also believes that passage and implementation of the repeal legislation will lead to a wave of lawsuits by gay troops seeking, for example, more military benefits for same-sex partners.
"The story is just beginning," she said in an interview.
Gay rights activists say the complications and uncertainties are being overblown.
"Only three steps are needed to assure a smooth and quick transition to open gay service," Belkin said. They are: an immediate executive order from Obama suspending all gay discharges; a few weeks to put new regulations in place; then immediate certification to Congress that the new law will work.
There remains, however, strong doubt among some that the way ahead will be smooth.
"The acceptance of open homosexuality and the creation and enforcement of new policies could be far more difficult to implement than repeal advocates ever envisioned," said Richard L. Eubank, a retired Marine and Vietnam combat veteran who leads the 2.1 million-member Veterans of Foreign Wars.
Richard Myers, a retired Air Forge general and former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told CNN's "State of the Union" on Sunday that the degree of difficulty in the immediate future is hard to predict. "But in the long run I think we can" make the change without hurting military effectiveness.
Not without opposition, both inside and outside the military.
Bryan Taylor of Prattville, Ala., who served four years on active duty and in November was elected to the Alabama Senate, said Sunday in an interview that he sees difficulties ahead.
"I think this is going to pose a lot of challenges for the military," Taylor said. When a soldier openly declares he is gay, "it does create an unnecessary distraction."
___
Associated Press writers Anne Flaherty in Washington and Bob Johnson in Montgomery, Ala., contributed to this report.
___
Online:
Pentagon study: http://tinyurl.com/23lxc49
Servicemembers Legal Defense Network: http://www.sldn.org/
Information on the bill, H.R. 2965, can be found at http://thomas.loc.gov
Comment:
I'm sorry to say that the average GI will most likely accept this new policy with little or no trouble. Once Upon A Time in the good OLD US of A, homosexuality was a perversion (still is in my book), but now it's a "lifestyle choice". Our young adults, with a few exceptions, were raised to believe that "it's OK to be Gay." Most of them have no idea what it's like to like in a society where Queers are treated like pariahs, so most won't have a problem with this. Some will, but not most.
It's like the motorcycle helmet law here in California. We've had it for about 15 years. We have a whole crop of riders who grew up never knowing what it feels like to ride lidless. They don't know any other way except wearing a helmet, so they don't object to this law. They feel, "Not wear a helmet? Why would anyone not want to wear a helmet? I don't get it." The same with Queers. They were raised to tolerate, and even accept them, and many of them can't understand why we old fogies like Comrades Rock, JT, Paul, and myself won't. We're just old-fanshioned, and out-of-touch with the modern way of thinking. But I should point out that just because the majority believes something is right, doesn't make it so. At one time, everyone believed the world was flat, and they acted like it was flat (don't sail out too far or you'll fall off the edge), but it's still round. The majority's belief's didn't alter the facts. And here is an undeniable fact: The purpose of sex is procreation (pleasure is only incidental, not the real purpose). Two men or two women cannot procreate. QED, homosexuality is abnormal.
Through National Socialism, decency will one day be restored to this modern Sodam and Gommorah called the USA. Until then, we must stand our ground and not sacrifice our principles. In previous posts, I always said I would never advise anyone to quit their job because of a conflict with principles. Jobs are scarce, and we all need to make a living. However, this is different. I call upon all good National Socialists in the military to leave the service as soon as they are legally able to do so. Don't desert. But as soon as you are able to be legally discharged, leave. If you volunteer for another hitch, in my opinion you are a hypocrite.
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